(Edit) Advice about str/vit and attack spd for an assassin

[trulyfree1023]

I know there is a thread people are working on about attack speed, but I wanted to ask for suggestions particularly for my Assassin that just made lvl 90.

This is a discussion about attack speed that has been going on over a year, and is good info in general.
http://rappelz-forum.gpotato.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=999707

But I wanted to ask about strategy for an Assassin?

I have a fleeting set for running and I might use it when I'm pulling as well. But I have a few questions now that I am hearing about Attack Speed plateaus and stuff.

I leveled to 90 using a vit/str build for survivability (ie belt orcs etc).

At what Point should I try to get higher attack speed and increase damage when in DD mode?

1. At what point do I add voracious/devouring gear to my attack spd (and flurry stones, skelly pets etc) and not lose dd by losing patak?

2. For dd in DP, what's a good pet? I have a genie, S5 wolf, also an Ifrit to be used.

3. For soloing, would I use a different setup?

4. This is NOT my main ~ I know that I could get S5 Skellies and Devouring/commanding stuff, but those are expensive. Ie pls don't recommend a R7 S5 Golem and all +20 D3 gear

(My original post was pretty wordy, just edited to make it more to the point)

Thanks,

[frmccnt]

But I wanted to ask about strategy for an Assassin?

Assassin is a HC puller, period. Strategy is, either pull or reroll.

[trulyfree1023]

But I wanted to ask about strategy for an Assassin?

Assassin is a HC puller, period. Strategy is, either pull or reroll.

Thanks for the reply. I use my Fleeting/Sprightly set when pulling in HM and it works well.

My question is about if I am not pulling, say I get to actually DD in a party. In the E5 Assassin guide, the consensus was Strength/Vit as far as stones. But now with all the possible ATTACK SPEED bonuses through dura and the new stones, I am asking at what point does too much attack speed (ie less Strength/Patak) make me lose damage?

I am looking to have a NON PULLING set for MAX DD when i don't have to pull, or if I get a decent pet, even to solo in HM with my assassin.

I had a guildie say that you can't really do damage as an assassin until your attack speed gets 175 or higher, and that's pretty high, so I am wondering if anyone has worked through it enough to give me advice.

Thanks,

[wutup2000]

I know that I could get S5 Skellies and Devouring/commanding stuff, but those are expensive.

Well you shouldn't have chosen an expensive class. Reason people suggest to get +20 pimp gears and a high tier pet for a sin is because of the results. If you choose to underpimp your sin, youll find it may not perform to your expectations.

Sins have been nerfed to a point where their damage is completely gimped compared to the other classes and have been turned into a 3 second nuking class.

You want to improve your sin? Expect to spend billions.

[casvalzd]

I know that I could get S5 Skellies and Devouring/commanding stuff, but those are expensive.

Well you shouldn't have chosen an expensive class. Reason people suggest to get +20 pimp gears and a high tier pet for a sin is because of the results. If you choose to underpimp your sin, youll find it may not perform to your expectations.

Sins have been nerfed to a point where their damage is completely gimped compared to the other classes and have been turned into a 3 second nuking class.

You want to improve your sin? Expect to spend billions.

I question why I ever rebirthed back to slayer now..

Suggestions and bare necessities aren't the same thing. You can solo HM with +10 equips and a BP. In fact, what other pet would you use? Auru/Octos are ungodly useless now, Eratia's Resto doesn't do enough to even make it worthwhile. The only good pets for a solo sin are healing pets, which pet you choose depends on what kind of heals you need.
You can DP for D3 armor/Dirks and fortune cube them up to something decent, then epro+normal cube to +10. You can DP for Blue Pixies to make a S3 for free (not including catalyst cost). All the other belt pets can be staged up from DP drops except Kentas, since I obviously have no luck taming anything above T3.

Also, when we say sins, are we talking about the HURR FULL DEVOURING TAB+F1 SUPERHERO that the idiots made the class look like or the Slayers who actually know how to build their toon, play their class, and know how to PvP?

[wutup2000]

Sins as in the class with the ability to dual wield things, which also applies to Slayers.

Still, most of the items you mention is still quite expensive, and if you do have the patience (which most would not) to gather up those items in a matter of weeks, just by farming, selling, farming, selling etc etc. Then be my guest.

But regardless, there are ways that a sin can still perform greatly even without pimped gears or a high tier pet. Just depends on the players skill.

[casvalzd]

Sins as in the class with the ability to dual wield things, which also applies to Slayers.

Still, most of the items you mention is still quite expensive, and if you do have the patience (which most would not) to gather up those items in a matter of weeks, just by farming, selling, farming, selling etc etc. Then be my guest.

But regardless, there are ways that a sin can still perform greatly even without pimped gears or a high tier pet. Just depends on the players skill.

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I started this game a long time ago when "CS and buy everything +20" wasn't really an option. There are tons of ways to make money, whether you have pimped gears or not. Cube Dungeon or not, people are still DPing in Temples. Temple DPs still want sins. Those same DPs don't care if a sin DDs or not, just pulls. You don't need pimped equips for that.
What you do gain from those DPs, however, are random drops, pet cards, lak, and passive gold dropped by mobs. Pet cards are either belt pets, main pets, or money. Random drops are either saved or sold. Essences drop from every mob. Essences are money or Fortune cubes.
This game isn't [cheddar] rocket science, not even for the supposed "most expensive class," which sin is nowhere near that expensive to equip. In fact, sins are so naturally adept to PvE that they have it easy compared to some other classes.

[wutup2000]

Oh I couldn't care less what people think about the classes in this so called game. I did my time with this piehole and reached my reward.
Now I can PK nabs with style. End of story.

[trulyfree1023]

Ok besides complaining about the status of the Assassin class . . . .

I'd really like advice about: At what point do I sacrifice Str and Vit stones for attack spd?

Seems like for a dd build (like if I know I'm not much pulling, or if I try to solo), would all str/vit stones and then voracious/devouring gear be best? Or should I add attack speed stones? Did anyone try it out?

And is 2x skell and 2x orc a good setup for belt pet?

(again for pulling i have uni/wolf agi/evade pets, and full fleeting/sprightly gear, but it's low on damage)

Thx again, and please post on topic, i think this is a big question that hasn't been answered since e5 in the forums.

[yoyobuae]

Unluckily, there's no single answer for the question you are asking. It all depends on your specific Patk/atkspd/AssasinImpact/buffs you usually play with. Any changes to any of those will change the balance between Patk and atkspd.

If you really want to get an accurate estimate you can do this:
- Use the atkspd plateau table to find out what is your number of attacks per minute
- Multiply that by your AssasinImpact bonus (ie. 40% chance = multiply by 1.4x)
- Test and write down your the mainhand and offhand damage on the dungeon mobs where you usually DP
- Add mainhand+offhand damage and multiply the the number of attacks per minute (with the AI bonus included)
- This is your damage per minute

Now you can check if replacing a Str stone for an atkspd one is benefitial. Check how much damage is lost when you remove a piece of gear that has a Str stone. Repeat the above calculation but with the new damage values and with the additional atkspd that one soulstone provides (remember to add the effect atkspd % based bonuses). If the new damage per minute is higher then the atkspd soulstone is more benefitial than the str one.

Keep in mind that you need to reach the next higher plateau before you get any benefit from adding atkspd.

[trulyfree1023]

Duly noted, thx yoyo.

I'll probly test on scarecrow though let me know if I should expect any difference.

[wutup2000]

First: Get rank 7.
Second: Well... there really isn't a second.

Just get rank 7. Then worry about all your stat experiments.

Reason: Better stats+Better gears = I'm right.

K?

And when you do achieve the all mighty rank 7. All your listed questions will be answered and justified.

BUT.

Just because i'm nice, i'll answer them for you.

1.
If SOLO: Increase both atk spd and dmg since your HLP pet will do most of the threat (hopeful).
If DP: Increase atk spd, lessen dmg. Why you say? str causes more agro.

2.
If SOLO: full set of Eager/Voracious gears/ +10 swords + Vit/atk spd stones + Eager/Vora accessories + Skell/Harpy/DT pot/unity.
if DP: full set of Eager/Voracious gears/ +10 swords + Vit/atk spd stones + Eager/Vora accessories + Skell/Harpy/DT pot/unity.
see wut i did thar. hurr hurr.

Seriously. Your atk spd is more than enough to compensate for your loss in p.atk. In other words, the higher your atk spd the greater dmg the output, the greater the threat = DD badass. Not to mention the 30% p.atk bonus from belts. And IF you don't max your belted p.atk bonus well... your not smart.

3.
If DP: Whats a good pet you say!? Out of your choices, I would use the genie.
Reason: Tank, Unity and nice DD skills.
If SOLO: Well guess what it is. GENIE AGAIN!

4.
No. (refers to question 3. but because you didnt number your first question, its 1 number up so... too bad if you don't follow up)

5.
Well. An alt is an alt. What kind of a question is this!?

Spoonfeeding is fun :3
NOT

[bradjenkins]

For lower lvls get 2 decent d3 swords and a decent d3 armor (devouring +10ish works well). For the rest of your gear (extras) use d2 gears (cept rings and necky cuz those are cheap) cuz its cheap and you arent looking to spend money. For soloing use voracious, for pulling in dps use fleeting extras. Staged bp as a summoned pet for both cases cuz you need heals soloing, and most parties are incompetent at healing. The end.

[trulyfree1023]

Alright someone finally took the bait.

TY VM WUTUP2000 YOU ARE A VERY HELPFUL PERSON

[wutup2000]

NECROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Your welcome