MC Breeder collection of input

[tankvieh]

i dont quite get how

10 str+vit is better than 20 vit/str (most ppl got +3 card or higher too)
same with boosts.

imo its better to have 20 vit instead of 10vit/str

[imjustlookingtoo]

Bleh...im home and manage to do proper testing and i take eveything i said back, Vit boost is better than master boost.

I stand corrected.

I cant test the master support since its not yet maxed out.

[altsftw]

Master Support is better when you use Melee / Mage pets together (or Sala)... So the one summon gets the vit/int/wis part and the other summon the vit/str wich is kinda useful...
The only usefullness of Master Boost is that its an AOE Buff, so you only need to press the button once to get every pet in party buffed, but beside that its rather stupid. Breeders strength was always to focus on a single stat - instead of boosting every stat. And compared to Auras its laughable.
I didnt found a single situation yet where i wanted to use MasterBoost instead of the old Boosts.
The DamageReduction Skill of course is way way better than the old resistances. Not only works it against every type of mob, but has way higher reduction - and on top of that skill cards add a way higher boost to this. (with +4 card i have 22% reduction on patk/matk attacks and 44% on skill damage)

Also i really like the AOE heal... My Nightmare is able now to tank up to 3 WDs without outside buffs, and Resto + AOE Resto negates the damage. Personally i find this awsome.
With outside buffs a lvl90 s4 bpixie with really crappy equip was enough to heal my Nightmare tanking like 4-5 mobs at once... Really helps when i am getting trained.
I guess once the NM hits R7 and can use pimped up armour, i can ditch the heal pet and use 2 DD pets without the need of outside buffs and still can manage 3-4 mobs at once.

[tankvieh]

i could easily heal my r6 nightmare with +0lvl1 hunter armor even without any of the new skills.
By going the middle route you skip the heals on the left side, however by using a staff you greatly pimp creature resto+healing.

another thing going pvp with nm worked really well for me, the damage reduction is really nice on both me and the nightmare and having a short cd skill with charge

[trollthar]

another thing going pvp with nm worked really well for me, the damage reduction is really nice on both me and the nightmare and having a short cd skill with charge

The damage reduction skill on the third column can be applied to both pets and MC SB ? I thought it was only for the pets.

[tankvieh]

another thing going pvp with nm worked really well for me, the damage reduction is really nice on both me and the nightmare and having a short cd skill with charge

The damage reduction skill on the third column can be applied to both pets and MC SB ? I thought it was only for the pets.

i mean damage reduction via pass dmg (~ 50%)
nm has the resistance skill + 35% dmg reduction vs players.

[altsftw]

i could easily heal my r6 nightmare with +0lvl1 hunter armor even without any of the new skills.
By going the middle route you skip the heals on the left side, however by using a staff you greatly pimp creature resto+healing.

I know that using staff give you a huge boost in healing abilitys. However, i am not gonna switch back to casting... I am just tired of it. Having already pimped Devouring set for both 150 and 155...
Might be true that staff now puts out a bit more damage on the player itself, not sure about. But seeing that i am more a PvE player, and defintly have zero interest in PvP - i see no point in switching my equip/build to caster again.

So its still a great addition for me to have the new Heal skills, on top of beeing able to perma-dual summon (and have both pets fully buffed all the time) - i am pretty sure that this comes equal in terms of damage over time to a caster build with 0 - 2 - 3 or 0 - 3 -2 tp distribution.

I guess its mostly a choice of how one like to play...

[chandi321]

so far from the info here, i feel 3 tp in the third path is a must since i use a dt. which then forces me to invest the rest of the tp in the first path, with atk spd, 2h mace with patck pets. but has anyone tried to perma ds with this set up? if u do want perm ds, is it necessary to get wis stones in? coz gear will have to be crit rate/atk spd/crit pow dura, belt pets atk spd/agi based, which means perma ds is not possible. i feel to realy make the best use out of this path managing to perm ds would make a difference.

On the other hand, with void warp doesnt the middle path become realy good with staff with crit rate, meaning the buff stacks it's self a lot. then u can go with 2-3-0 to get the dot, or if that sucks, go 3-2-0 and u can have ds running as well. cast spd/crit rate set up and matck pets that doesnt look half bad as a hybrid setup? can pvp nicely and pve fairly well. i suppose 2-1-1 is the best balanced setup, but whats the point in that , going all the way in a certain path alwats beter i guess.

also which boss cards to get with either build? before p3 i used a staff with obsi and evasion and some crit rate. it worked pretty well except against mage classes, and now it seems ill have to switch to mace. need to think hard :S

[tankvieh]

you can do 2 0 3 or 0 2 3. both work for a dt.

perma ds with eva card is possible without problems.

the buff of the middle row is kinda useless it almost never activates and wont stack higher than 2 if you spamm major energy beat.
i farmed 30 min last night in dungeon and it activated like 5 times total.
the dot in the middle also sucks huge time dealing 10% dmg of a master energy beat while costing 15x its mana.

2 0 3 = eva card or takin if you got alot of mpreg gears
0 2 3 = crusti (i tried lucius but it activates to seldom)

if you want to make any use of the right collum 2 tp skill you should use a melee pet.

[chandi321]

i just thought about it, the fact that my main is patck AND atk spd, i realy should go for mace and atk spd build with crit rate, and get eva card. and skills will be 2-0-3. When i hit t2 i think im gonna go staff and get a wd. but that should take a while xD thx for the info.

[tankvieh]

both build work and its a matter of preference i guess, however i would rather choose staff at t1 than t2 as you can more activly use voidvarp with attspeed setup, which stacking critpower+crit ratio should work well even as a t1.

2 0 3
your pets are as strong as possible however your toon has the same stats as before p3 (minor boost through jooblvl only).
you will have a hard time killing anything in pvp.

0 2 3
your pets are quite strong and you toon packs a big punch as well, best setup for pvp.

[chandi321]

hmm i suppose using eva card for ds wont work in pvp either. but till i get to t2 i wont be doing much pvp so, may as go with a pve build

[imjustlookingtoo]

You can easily sustain your Perma DS if your an atk speed Breeder, specially when soloing. Just switch your boss card with eva when mana goes down to 1/4, and a few seconds later, you should be back to full mana again, then switch back to your other boss card (e.g. crusty, slk).

As for Dping, its different since with a very fast KS, you dont really have the time to activate the eva card. Just stick with your DP boss card and pop you mana pot (Enhance blue pot if you can), scroll and groceries everytime they are on CD. Doing this, you will never run out of mana the whole DP, even with the occasional healing and buffing of pets. Also, no need to use mp regen soulstone. Its also much easier to keep your mana up when you have a priest/oracle in your party (MP Regen)

[deathsreign]

okay i know what the crusty card gives what does the lucious card give? that is one i haven't seen then again being on uni where half the dungeons are unused its not hard to see why you would over look something like this?

But on topic, I use a 2h staff sb my build isn't fully tweaked yet for max dd but im going the 0,2,3 route and so far im doing 70k non crit, and 160 crit with meb. just need to figure out what i need to increase these numbers some more.

[blestisthebest]

p.atk 10970+471 (vit boost) = 11441
p.atk 10897+558 (trait mastery) = 11455

both +4/6...kinda sad for a MC buff