Knight Or Breeder

[wrong1189]

The SB = Boredom way... Pet classes are boring =P

-points at his own signature-

thats all opinion based....

of course anyones gonna want to play an overpowered class tht doesnt need to do much during dps etc :/ thts why theres so many of them and which is why u cant get a dp lolz. also, thts why theres a lack of tanks and healers bc they need to actually pay attention unlike some ppl DD's who u see during a dp shouting ads in chat and watching movies -_-*

[barlios]

of course anyones gonna want to play an overpowered class tht doesnt need to do much during dps etc :/ thts why theres so many of them and which is why u cant get a dp lolz.

That's not always the case. Many people have SB alts because Rappelz is a pet game. I have a ton of pets, I can't level them all with a Knight.
Plus, if you are going to solo, a knight is slow for me. My knight is only r3 now, maybe it changes at higher levels, but soloing is a grind. (So is my r4 SB but at least it levels pets )
So I think that a Knight is more necessary in a party, but a SB is more versatile.

[wrong1189]

of course anyones gonna want to play an overpowered class tht doesnt need to do much during dps etc :/ thts why theres so many of them and which is why u cant get a dp lolz.

That's not always the case. Many people have SB alts because Rappelz is a pet game. I have a ton of pets, I can't level them all with a Knight.
Plus, if you are going to solo, a knight is slow for me. My knight is only r3 now, maybe it changes at higher levels, but soloing is a grind. (So is my r4 SB but at least it levels pets )
So I think that a Knight is more necessary in a party, but a SB is more versatile.

but thts the thing. u said sb *ALTS*. i also have an R6 SB alt to lvl my pets and for fast field farming. but in terms of wat is more productive and useful to ppl instead of being the same as 90% of all servers go knight. like i said theres a reason there are so many pet classes (as their mains). then u have the ppl tht rebirth to them at R5+. sad but tru :/ wats funnier is tht i see 120-140+ pet classes(mains) who make alts tht are also pet classes which kinda leads ppl to believe tht they cant do anything besides DS/spam FA/EB etc lmao.classes like tanks/healers(core party classes) are actually way more productive DX.and as 1 of those classes youll never have a hard time getting a dp

[barlios]

but thts the thing. u said sb *ALTS*. i also have an R6 SB alt to lvl my pets and for fast field farming. but in terms of wat is more productive and useful to ppl instead of being the same as 90% of all servers go knight. like i said theres a reason there are so many pet classes (as their mains). then u have the ppl tht rebirth to them at R5+. sad but tru :/ wats funnier is tht i see 120-140+ pet classes(mains) who make alts tht are also pet classes which kinda leads ppl to believe tht they cant do anything besides DS/spam FA/EB etc lmao.classes like tanks/healers(core party classes) are actually way more productive DX.and as 1 of those classes youll never have a hard time getting a dp

I agree with everything you say as far as dps are concerned, but I haven't really dpd in two years.

So as far as farming and soloing, a knight is just tough on my patience. At least on a SB I can level pets, tame mobs, and choose between magic or melee. I guess the only issue I have with people saying the pet classes are boring is the question of whether they're boring because they are op or because they're boring to play with. Being that they have so many options, I hope it's the former opinion, because the latter is not true because of their ability to play so many different roles.

Off-Topic
I have a character from every class r3 and up. The pet classes are fun to play, they're just not as flashy. I'm a big fan of the warlock for the power in farming and the challenge of soloing, but I don't think it's better than a SB either, just different.

[discopig]

I think if I wanted to play the game to be "useful to others", I would be a priest, and if I wanted to have fun, I would play what I wanted-- I don't think usefulness has anything to do with this topic.

[igasmic]

I find knight to be 10x more interesting and engaged then a soul breeder, but to answer the OP, soul breeder is better. They are a tank, healer, dd, money maker all rolled into one. They also require very little effort since they only have like 4 skills of their own that they need to use regularly. They are a jack of all trades, master of some.

However, don't knock Knight farming with the introduction of the new champ mobs. I've also seen SB kill slower then me on dungeon mobs and before you ask, yes it is sustainable easily lasting an hour.

[discopig]

I find knight to be 10x more interesting and engaged then a soul breeder, but to answer the OP, soul breeder is better. They are a tank, healer, dd, money maker all rolled into one. They also require very little effort since they only have like 4 skills of their own that they need to use regularly. They are a jack of all trades, master of some.

However, don't knock Knight farming with the introduction of the new champ mobs. I've also seen SB kill slower then me on dungeon mobs and before you ask, yes it is sustainable easily lasting an hour.

Sb is not a jack of all trades.And the only thing we're masters at is healing pets. Depending on the pets the sb is using--his power is limited. SB has no crowd control, and a horrible self heal. If I'm not using a bp, I won't be good at healing myself, and If I'm not using a hawk(or another tank pet), I can't tank **** for anyone.

As for the knight farming and the champ mobs, I would still say SB wins in that because I've seen sb's with tank pets that have tons of hp (more than knights), and although not as much p def, the pet can be healed while the knight would need a bp for healing. (I'm not saying pet tank is better than knight tank at all btw). As for you killing dungeon mobs faster than a sb--there are many factors that this could be due to from the individual themself--such as if their computer was lagging, are they stupid.., do they chip quickly, were they on ss? (because sometimes when your on ss your motivated to kill fast and you use more skills etc.) Or if the player themself was just bad

[aztrock]

I loved to chip in DPs: the funiest thing is to chip and rebuff =D
Pet classes are a great solutions if you have a lot of pets.
But i used to play as a BS, and the fact is that pets are powerful, but in DPs, i didn't know what to do other than DSing...
I even think that i did more than most of the BS i ever met:

After DS, i reduced or increased the threat on the pets in the party
I casted Lion's Claws on the Evo 3 pet
I was healing with my BP more than the Healer (as a BS, i did a lot of Dps without healers, where i currently was the healer)... And nothing else than casting FA...
I also DPed with clean window mode (Ctrl + H), i was used to the hot bar i guess...

If i have nothing to do, i get bored as fast as hell... and the lack of skills got me. Not i'm a WL, i really love to debuff the mobs in DPs, particularly in Corner =D (AOE debuffs FTW); i don't rely much on my pet (bp) which only works on my Mps.
It's the same thing for my Bish: i only DP in corner (or Archers) now, so that i constantly have something to do.

As everytime, picking a class depends on what you like.
Choosing a pet class makes your work a little less harder than choosing a Knight

[discopig]

I loved to chip in DPs: the funiest thing is to chip and rebuff =D
Pet classes are a great solutions if you have a lot of pets.
But i used to play as a BS, and the fact is that pets are powerful, but in DPs, i didn't know what to do other than DSing...
I even think that i did more than most of the BS i ever met:

After DS, i reduced or increased the threat on the pets in the party
I casted Lion's Claws on the Evo 3 pet
I was healing with my BP more than the Healer (as a BS, i did a lot of Dps without healers, where i currently was the healer)... And nothing else than casting FA...
I also DPed with clean window mode (Ctrl + H), i was used to the hot bar i guess...

If i have nothing to do, i get bored as fast as hell... and the lack of skills got me. Not i'm a WL, i really love to debuff the mobs in DPs, particularly in Corner =D (AOE debuffs FTW); i don't rely much on my pet (bp) which only works on my Mps.
It's the same thing for my Bish: i only DP in corner (or Archers) now, so that i constantly have something to do.

As everytime, picking a class depends on what you like.
Choosing a pet class makes your work a little less harder than choosing a Knight

Bs is slightly different than sb in the fact that you have to heal pets and theres a lot more micromanagement.

[aztrock]

You meant SB has to heal pets ? I don't think Bs is a pet healer out of BP use (or i failed).
And if you were talking about SB, i almost NEVER (or rarely) saw a SB heal pets in DPs ! I also saw some asking for me to heal them (on my Bish for sure).
If you heal pets in a DP, this means you play your class, but those who wait for the healer to do so (which are the most important part of the SBs) are just DDs, and nothing else.

So what would be the difference ? Rebuff the pets each 30 min ?

[discopig]

You meant SB has to heal pets ? I don't think Bs is a pet healer out of BP use (or i failed).
And if you were talking about SB, i almost NEVER (or rarely) saw a SB heal pets in DPs ! I also saw some asking for me to heal them (on my Bish for sure).
If you heal pets in a DP, this means you play your class, but those who wait for the healer to do so (which are the most important part of the SBs) are just DDs, and nothing else.

So what would be the difference ? Rebuff the pets each 30 min ?

I can admit, a lot of sb's don't do their jobs. But the thread isn't on that. You're talking about a bs who can play their class--so why not talk about an sb who can do the same? In most dps i tell the healer not to even look at pet hp in the party menu--I have it covered. Bs has it much easier--except for the threat buffs, the rest of their buffs are aoe toggles--so all you have to do is turn them on and kill.

[aztrock]

Ok so you agree with me when i say that most of the S-Breeders are as useful as B-Summoners in a DP (ds + attack).

So basicaly, the great job for a S-Breeder (i never played one) would be:
-Buff the pets during the Dp
-Heal them (makes the healer's job easiest) when it's needed; which is supposed to be the biggest part. The only healings i can see from a SB is Celestial Sanctuary (every 10 min...).
Now when you DP with other S-Breeders, do you see such a thing ?

I don't really mind healing pets in Dps, but i think i would had loved to DP with you.

[igasmic]

I find knight to be 10x more interesting and engaged then a soul breeder, but to answer the OP, soul breeder is better. They are a tank, healer, dd, money maker all rolled into one. They also require very little effort since they only have like 4 skills of their own that they need to use regularly. They are a jack of all trades, master of some.

However, don't knock Knight farming with the introduction of the new champ mobs. I've also seen SB kill slower then me on dungeon mobs and before you ask, yes it is sustainable easily lasting an hour.

Sb is not a jack of all trades.And the only thing we're masters at is healing pets. Depending on the pets the sb is using--his power is limited. SB has no crowd control, and a horrible self heal. If I'm not using a bp, I won't be good at healing myself, and If I'm not using a hawk(or another tank pet), I can't tank **** for anyone.

As for the knight farming and the champ mobs, I would still say SB wins in that because I've seen sb's with tank pets that have tons of hp (more than knights), and although not as much p def, the pet can be healed while the knight would need a bp for healing. (I'm not saying pet tank is better than knight tank at all btw). As for you killing dungeon mobs faster than a sb--there are many factors that this could be due to from the individual themself--such as if their computer was lagging, are they stupid.., do they chip quickly, were they on ss? (because sometimes when your on ss your motivated to kill fast and you use more skills etc.) Or if the player themself was just bad

The point I was making was that with the range of pets and the ability to keep 5 of them at an appropriate level makes a SB a very versatile class. In terms of potential, a SB with dual white dragons will by far be the best DD over time, heck even with dual rp they are a power machine. A SB with a bp can heal every 5 seconds or so at about 3.5k+ whilst not losing much over time (a healer can heal around 3k every 3.7 seconds when spamming Rapid Healing and Healing). A SB with an angel can effectively tank most of ssk needing little to no outside healing other then it's own. A SB with a naga has the ability to uncloak, petrify and stun reliably whilst also dealing very nice spike damage. A SB with a tier 2 pet can have literally hundreds more raw pdef then an equally geared knight. A SB themselves also receive a powerful spam and great damage mitgation.

With the introduction of TPro, for many SB, these situations are not so farfetched.

A SB is a very versatile class with few drawbacks. They are a jack of all trades master of some since they can effectively keep 4 (possibly 5 if AC are used) pets near their level giving them a great arsenal to play with.

This is what makes a SB a better class then a knight.

[discopig]

They're really making TPros? Oh gosh why x_x

[thextazzy]

They're really making TPros? Oh gosh why x_x

Because it's a pet game... ?
And it took me 3 years to get Hawk and Salamander...?