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Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

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Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby imellonman » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:17 pm

Hi all!
I got a 51 Sorcerer and a 60 +10 Yeti on Yeti server.
After recently getting the Pass Damage Skill, i read forum topics to find out wether it was good or not, wether should i skill it or not.
I found everybody speaks GREATLY about PS (Pass Damage) so i went straight for Lvl5 PS.
Now when i went to try it in the field, i let a 53 Sally hit me till my health was 40% and guess what? My Yeti´s health never dropped from 99%!!!
I tried cancelling and rebuffing PD for maybe it was bugged or something. Tried it again and same thing happens...
NO DAMAGE IS TRANSFERRED TO MY PET.
What am I doing wrong?
I´ve read topics saying Lvl5 PD should make my pet take 22% of my damage!
Any help is welcome...

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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby krajst1979 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:28 pm

The thing is that a yeti is a tanking pet with lots of hp. And if u have creature regen and creature hp at max lvl, the yeti will regen fast.
Try summon a fresh basic pet and see what happens.
I've managed to kill some low lvl pets I've just started to raise, when forgetting to turn pass damage off in dps and by chance manage to get aggro. Pass damage works.
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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby xdragon2k » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:32 pm

What you should be looking for is the "reduction of damage". If it reduces your damage without passing the damage to the pet, more the power to you.

Try getting hit without pass damage. Make sure you account for crit, non-crit and damage dealt from the same type/level mob.

I see the decrease in the damage I take. From 55ish to 35ish.
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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby nightmarep » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:24 pm

im a 110+ battle summoner... and i can tell you it works. transfers a good ammount of dammage to your pet. i have no idea what percent of damage is transfered, but i would say that its enough damage to be worth the skill.

as they sayd... the yeti is a tank pet so it regens it's hp quickly. try a new tamed pet and tellme how fast it dies :D

i would say it reduces from 50 to 100 not sure tho havent played in quite a while :P
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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby superkleenex1 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:52 pm

I'm not really sure why you would be the one taking damage unless the yeti has really really bad equipment or has no weapon on at all. For its level even with a decent equipment and the buffs u give it plus the provoke skills, it should be taking agro off u for damage alone...
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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby snovvfl4ke » Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:11 am

As a battle Summoner i try my best to tank for my pets.

1. I cant level up warrior Armor for my pets
2. I have 5 options to heal myself in order of preference( Food, Pots, scroll, Life leach, Creature HP Extract ) in comparison to 2 Options to heal my Pets ( Creature Life transfer, scroll )

I am sturdier than my Pets :)

and Yes, Pass Damage works ;)

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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby ultimatemx » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:53 pm

To be honest, if you're having to tank for your pets, you've either got a bad pet combo, or you're doing it wrong. Even with +9 r5 armor my pets still have more pdef than me easily, they only have +5 armor, and more patk. Pass damage is just one of those little skills that means you stay alive as long as you can if you do somehow pull aggro. No matter what, your pets should be tanking, and if you're having trouble healing them, pick up a BP for emergencies. Hell if your pets are really having trouble pulling aggro off you throw creature intimidate on them and you'll probably never pull aggro off them.

Anyways, if you really need proof that pass damage works, get a level 1 pet and do that salamander test again.
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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby snovvfl4ke » Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:49 am

Your Pets have more Pdef than you ?
I dont believe this

I Lvl 84 BS R4 Gear, mostly lvl 2 all enchanted +3 to +5
PDef 656
And i can wear a Shield. i dont think thats reflected in the stats

Both Pets with Aura of Halisha Lvl 1 running
Siren Lvl 83 R4 Hunter suit +2 enchanted
PDef 433

Red Pixie Lvl 80 R3 Hunter Suit +1 enchanted
PDef 392

The difference between me and my pets is easily 200 PDef without considering a Shield

I continue to Tank for my Pets. :)

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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby ultimatemx » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:26 am

Well duh, you've got two of the lowest pdef rated pets, I'd be trying to tank off them too, high damage output with low pdef and HP, no offence, but it can be a risky combo, I know a few people on the forums say they can pull it off, but I gotta say, I feel a hell of alot safer behind a tank pet.
I've got a skeleton, which has lower pdef than me, but has a ridiculous 350 evasion. A Hawk which has easily a base pdef of 1.2k, and its own pdef toggle, not to mention more HP than you can poke a stick at. And an orc, which even at evo 2 has more patk than my evo 3 hawk.

How often does your RP die? Trust me when I say you're going to get tired of it when you hit r5. It will have too much matk for its own good, and so little pdef that it's laughable. To me, RP is a more PvP/field solo pet at r5+ Sure it out damages anything, but when you're surrounded by high level mobs with a single healer, not always watching pets too mind you, it's going to suffer.
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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby dajuggahbish » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:44 am

LVL1 :arrow: 10%
LVL2 :arrow: 13%
LVL3 :arrow: 16%
LVL4 :arrow: 19%
LVL5 :arrow: 22%

And if you're a Soul Breeder...

LVL6 :arrow: 25%
LVL7 :arrow: 28%
LVL8 :arrow: 31%
LVL9 :arrow: 34%
LVL10 :arrow: 37%

Might of the Underworld makes up for the extra 15% Pass Damage that Battle Summoners don't get, via a +25%VIT boost.
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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby imellonman » Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:17 pm

Well thanks to you all guys!
I´ll just correct this missinterpretation: I don´t tank for my Yeti. He tanks for me. But still, there are a thousand situations in which i get damage, and I was looking to reduce MY damage in those situations.
I trust your opinions, and blame my Yeti´s "HP not dropping down" on it´s insane HP regen...
I´ll keep on using PD even if i can´t measure the results.
I trust your field experience.
THANKS!
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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby xdragon2k » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:06 pm

mellonman005 wrote:Well thanks to you all guys!
I´ll just correct this missinterpretation: I don´t tank for my Yeti. He tanks for me. But still, there are a thousand situations in which i get damage, and I was looking to reduce MY damage in those situations.
I trust your opinions, and blame my Yeti´s "HP not dropping down" on it´s insane HP regen...
I´ll keep on using PD even if i can´t measure the results.
I trust your field experience.
THANKS!


If you really want to measure the results, really, try getting hit without pass damage, then turn on pass damage and get hit again by the same mob and measure the difference.
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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby arrethyn » Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:32 am

I'm just curious where you got those numbers for pass dmg dajugabish? I recently went out to do some testign and came up with 35% reduction for lvl 10 pass dmg and 38% for lvl 10+2. Of course im not claiming these to be 100% accurate, and it seems close to what youve got but i'm just curious if there is some official statement, or if someone else just spent longer testing than i did ^_^
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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby rangedatkftw » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:51 pm

Given the date of his post, his numbers may not apply to E5.
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Re: Sorcerer "Pass Damage" Help Needed

Postby allelujahhaptism » Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:20 pm

snovvfl4ke wrote:Your Pets have more Pdef than you ?
I dont believe this

I Lvl 84 BS R4 Gear, mostly lvl 2 all enchanted +3 to +5
PDef 656
And i can wear a Shield. i dont think thats reflected in the stats

Both Pets with Aura of Halisha Lvl 1 running
Siren Lvl 83 R4 Hunter suit +2 enchanted
PDef 433

Red Pixie Lvl 80 R3 Hunter Suit +1 enchanted
PDef 392

The difference between me and my pets is easily 200 PDef without considering a Shield

I continue to Tank for my Pets. :)

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828 P.def unbuffed w/ +7 lv4 R4 body armor and no buffs.
my 89 Skell w/ +4 lv10 warrior armor in my Formation (not summoned) has..710 p.def when i give him Halisha lv3+1 its 771.

i still have more. Now with MotU on, im @ 898 P.def. Could be more if i upgraded my gear...but im cheap :D

Buffed w/ +32 vit 160 p.def from Cleric buff, and +180 from Rock energy, and MotU im @ 982 + 340

Without MoTU and still buffed im @ --> 900+340

So...we better have a lot more p.def then our pets XD i prefer tanking for them, at least until their evo 3 anyway.
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