Battle Summoner PROS/CONS

[xeroax2]

Please give your point of view on what is good and bad about this class. DO NOT FLAME. If you think this class "sucks" do not write "THIS CLASS SUX!!!". Instead voice your opinion on "why" it sucks. If you think it is good tell us why. I will be making one of these for every class.

Here is my opinion.

Pros:
-Best DPS (with special skeleton build)
-Only pet class that can "fully" specialize in magic.
-Double Impact is amazing for this class
-Aura of Halisha and Blood Aura are amazing skills
-Can take their pet's strength and add it to their own

Cons:
-The slowest class to show it's true potential. It doesn't get any of it's good skills until the end of it's second job class.
-Easiest pet class to suck with
-Support skills are not as good as breeder's

[ichat3]

The Battle Summoner is a Job Level 40, make sure you overbreed, class. You don't experience the full power of the Battle Summoner until that point.
With that said the con of the battle summoner is that it will take you a long time to fully develop the character.
The pro is that once you reach that point you have one of the most powerful classes in the game.

I could talk about having to solve defensive issues and lack of good healing but the Battle Summoner has the ability to dual summon pets. That in itself means that you can use pets to cover your weaknesses.

Therefore my final and most important point for any up and coming Battle Summoner is this:

The true power of the Battle Summoner lies in which pets you use but the true beauty of the Battle Summoner lies in how you control that power.

[xeroax2]

Why OB it? It just takes you longer to get the skills you really want.

[ken1j1]

OB cuz in 105+ lvls u will wish to have more skills to spend JPs on

Besides any extra stats are not gunna hurt you. If u get ur 2nd class skills a few days earlier or later than others is irrelevant when u plan to play rappelz long (120++++)

I have 105 mill JPs left atm........... full ob and all maxed too -.-

What does the 1m JP I spent in my 5x on OBing count there? oh right I would have 106 mill jps now -.- gz, 1 mill more JPs, awesome ^^.

[xeroax2]

Well truly it is the fact of how much it affects your stats to have to wait the extra time to catch up (it is a bit more than a day unless you have no life). If two people who are r5 with the same class and the same level of skill fought (one OB'd and one didn't) it is still EASILY anyone's game. The stats just don't have any effect for any player who is around 80+ (which is about the time you catch up with the non-OBs)

[pewpewpowa]

But against other classes the OB actually makes a big difference.

Against sins/sh's 300 more hp and a few more pdef makes a huge difference when your almost dead and casting blood of the underworld with them pounding on you.

[rayutasu]

OB cuz in 105+ lvls u will wish to have more skills to spend JPs on

Besides any extra stats are not gunna hurt you. If u get ur 2nd class skills a few days earlier or later than others is irrelevant when u plan to play rappelz long (120++++)

I have 105 mill JPs left atm........... full ob and all maxed too -.-

What does the 1m JP I spent in my 5x on OBing count there? oh right I would have 106 mill jps now -.- gz, 1 mill more JPs, awesome ^^.

Wait, how do you have 105mil jp at 11x?
Isn't that what most people get at 13x?

[ultimatemx]

OB cuz in 105+ lvls u will wish to have more skills to spend JPs on

Besides any extra stats are not gunna hurt you. If u get ur 2nd class skills a few days earlier or later than others is irrelevant when u plan to play rappelz long (120++++)

I have 105 mill JPs left atm........... full ob and all maxed too -.-

What does the 1m JP I spent in my 5x on OBing count there? oh right I would have 106 mill jps now -.- gz, 1 mill more JPs, awesome ^^.

Wait, how do you have 105mil jp at 11x?
Isn't that what most people get at 13x?

Judging by his sig and his buhjillion 11x + pets he's deleveling so they can catch up, and since you don't loose jp when you delevel well you can imagine he has some to spare.

[xeroax2]

But against other classes the OB actually makes a big difference.

Against sins/sh's 300 more hp and a few more pdef makes a huge difference when your almost dead and casting blood of the underworld with them pounding on you.

well first of all... you have a hard time beating sins? second of all... im assuming you think you get 10 vitality for OBing. Im sorry to say but not even holy warriors get that much vitality. Since your a BS you probably only get 3 vit. Thats 90 hp and 6 defense. If you max out on level 40 vit stones... lets just use the normal ones for example... you get an extra 18 vitality... that is 540 hp and 36 defense... now lets take level into perspective... lets say about 50... that is 1000 extra hp and 50 extra defense... so all together with stones + level WITHOUT even including your actuall stats or armor you have 1540 hp and 86 defense... the 90 hp and the 6 defense already doesn't impact that at all... when you add normal stats in and you start to level up and get good armor those extra points don't even dent your actual stats...

[ultimatemx]

I OBed, and I noticed a difference when I was wiping the floor against a BS 5 levels above me who didn't OB. We had practically the same equips too, hell he was r4 before me and I still beat him as an r3.
Overbreeding isn't all about def or str or any other single stat, its about getting the whole package, 5 extra vit might not seem like alot, but 150 HP can mean the difference between life and death, the extra patk obviously increases your overall DPS not to mention that with our crappy dirk we have a stupidly low patk anyways. You get about another 120 MP which is important since when you're running those extra auras and toggles you need to conserve every little bit of mana you can get. Not to mention when you're using Might of the Underworld, you get 25% more vit and str, so you effectively get an extra 225 HP out of the initial overbreed. The final stat that makes any difference in the overbreed is Luck. There is no other way of raising your base luck stat other than overbreeding.

So what it took me an extra few DP's to get the full overbreed? OMG I'm going to have to spend a few more hours playing rappelz to get this skill! I don't think many people think that when they're playing.
All the little bits add up in the end and on a sorc those little stats are important.
So rebuke my arguments to the cows come home, I've already OBed and I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

[mbinfo999]

But against other classes the OB actually makes a big difference.

Against sins/sh's 300 more hp and a few more pdef makes a huge difference when your almost dead and casting blood of the underworld with them pounding on you.

I did compare the basic statistics of job transfer for two different classes. Here is the result of the study:

If you transfer at jlv 50 lvl 50, rather then transfer at jlv 40 lvl 50,you get an extra 25 basic statistic points + 2 luck points. Of course those 25 points are distributed according to the class of the character.

At R4 and R5 these 27 points translate to a lot of fighting abilities.

[pewpewpowa]

But against other classes the OB actually makes a big difference.

Against sins/sh's 300 more hp and a few more pdef makes a huge difference when your almost dead and casting blood of the underworld with them pounding on you.

well first of all... you have a hard time beating sins? second of all... im assuming you think you get 10 vitality for OBing. Im sorry to say but not even holy warriors get that much vitality. Since your a BS you probably only get 3 vit. Thats 90 hp and 6 defense. If you max out on level 40 vit stones... lets just use the normal ones for example... you get an extra 18 vitality... that is 540 hp and 36 defense... now lets take level into perspective... lets say about 50... that is 1000 extra hp and 50 extra defense... so all together with stones + level WITHOUT even including your actuall stats or armor you have 1540 hp and 86 defense... the 90 hp and the 6 defense already doesn't impact that at all... when you add normal stats in and you start to level up and get good armor those extra points don't even dent your actual stats...

Ok then, don't OB, have fun with 1 less % of critical in R5

Also, I'm assuming your a noob r3, because if you ever fought a good sh, lol they'll own you so fast with their att speed and fear its not even funny.

[tossxx]

To be honest, I regret not fully Overbreeding in my first job (Only went up to jlvl 45...) But it hasn't impacted me that much at all... since I rarely lose in pvp (it's really rare.. lol) But I still regret it, I've lost a duel with the opponent having 20 hp left before, if I had extra hp maybe I'd have won? Who knows..
Back on topic, I'd say the biggest weakness of bsorcs, is the massive MP cost to use all our skills/spells, dirk tornado literally devours our MP, so do all our spells, if you use them frequently in a duel. As well as throw all our toggles into there.. which slowly but surely eat at your mp in a duel. But our strength.. auras.. auras.. auras.. Far superior to the boosts of a breeder, Halisha adds 28 to all stats, whilst a breeder's boost adds 30, and some amount of patk, personally I prefer having all the stats due to the agi, wis, vit and even the strength added.

[eatssteak020]

But against other classes the OB actually makes a big difference.

Against sins/sh's 300 more hp and a few more pdef makes a huge difference when your almost dead and casting blood of the underworld with them pounding on you.

well first of all... you have a hard time beating sins? second of all... im assuming you think you get 10 vitality for OBing. Im sorry to say but not even holy warriors get that much vitality. Since your a BS you probably only get 3 vit. Thats 90 hp and 6 defense. If you max out on level 40 vit stones... lets just use the normal ones for example... you get an extra 18 vitality... that is 540 hp and 36 defense... now lets take level into perspective... lets say about 50... that is 1000 extra hp and 50 extra defense... so all together with stones + level WITHOUT even including your actuall stats or armor you have 1540 hp and 86 defense... the 90 hp and the 6 defense already doesn't impact that at all... when you add normal stats in and you start to level up and get good armor those extra points don't even dent your actual stats...

Say your fighting some1 EXACTLY the same as you. You Both use same skills have same eqs same pets etc etc, you ob he doesent. Your gonna win, and think doing like 10 more atk per hit a recieving like 10 less with 90 more hp can make all the dif in the high lvls.

[tflame1]

But against other classes the OB actually makes a big difference.

Against sins/sh's 300 more hp and a few more pdef makes a huge difference when your almost dead and casting blood of the underworld with them pounding on you.

well first of all... you have a hard time beating sins? second of all... im assuming you think you get 10 vitality for OBing. Im sorry to say but not even holy warriors get that much vitality. Since your a BS you probably only get 3 vit. Thats 90 hp and 6 defense. If you max out on level 40 vit stones... lets just use the normal ones for example... you get an extra 18 vitality... that is 540 hp and 36 defense... now lets take level into perspective... lets say about 50... that is 1000 extra hp and 50 extra defense... so all together with stones + level WITHOUT even including your actuall stats or armor you have 1540 hp and 86 defense... the 90 hp and the 6 defense already doesn't impact that at all... when you add normal stats in and you start to level up and get good armor those extra points don't even dent your actual stats...

Say your fighting some1 EXACTLY the same as you. You Both use same skills have same eqs same pets etc etc, you ob he doesent. Your gonna win, and think doing like 10 more atk per hit a recieving like 10 less with 90 more hp can make all the dif in the high lvls.

you cant relay say that because the person who OB'ed used a krap load of points to OB and the points on the non-OBer would be used on skills, so the only was to rightfully do what your saying is pit 2 ppl, who who OBed and one who has higher skills but there same lvl and no equip (shards and stuff for stats and if the charactera are EXACTLY the same then what did the non ober do with stats??? skills lol


so in all this tiny rant im ust saying, you can have an extra 100hp (estimate) OR you can have an extra load of skills with the points you would of used o.o