Sorcerer and Overbreeding

[allelujahhaptism]

Now i know everyone and their mothers are saying "You Have to OB!"

But is it a must for a Sorcerer? Im not into PvP at all, (unless some noob totally deserves it) other than that i'd rather Pve. Occasional Duel w/ a friend is fine but im not focusing on PVE. So w/ that said, does a Sorc need to OB as much as a Sin does? i know for Sins its a "must" because of lower stats etc. And does anyone know a list of Stats recieved per each OB jlv? like 41 + dex, 42 + agl str (made up figures as an example) or somethin?

Also i have another question, what skills to focus on as a battle summoner when the time comes. I like playing solo, and as of now i have a 52+2 Siren, which i will fully OB, is that an acceptable DD? she does kick some ass i must say, usually taking hate if i dont use Creature stability on her. And shes cute

Any suggestions? advice? I am a Dagger + Shield Sorc, i dont care for the magic aspect as much, although i do keep a staff w/ me for Dp if needed.

[ultimatemx]

I don't have stats for every level, but here are 49 and 50 of OB
And the change to BS
49
50
Battle Summoner
I think it is worth it as a sorcerer. Your base stats aren't really up there with the other DD classes so the small boost is useful, I find that now I have changed to Battle Summoner I've got a larger Mana Pool which is great for skills like Dirk Tornado which seem to eat through MP. Since you're soloing for the most part, it's going to come in handy. Since you're a Dirk + Shield Sorc, I would recommend avoiding most of the magic, but it's good to have a level of two in each for pulling, and nightmare is great crowd control when you're in a pinch. Concentrate on your passive summoner weaponry and creature skills that's what you need to be a good Dirk + Sheild Sorc. It's also going to pay to make sure you have good Vitality and Strength stones in all your equipment.

As for your siren, I'm not really sure where you need to go with it. It is a DD pet I haven't had a chance to use, but some advice I can offer is, make sure you keep its equipment upgraded. You need to realize too that when you reach the same level as her its going to get a bit harder to fight as you're probably going to end up tanking and stuff and she's not going to do alot of damage, not to mention if she does take aggro she won't have a high def or HP level. So you'll have to be careful with a pet like that. I would probably recommend that you get a better DD/Tank pet, eg. Orc or Yeti and keep the Siren for DPing or PvPing. But for the moment as long as you can keep her alive she's fine.

Hope you understood ANY of that @_@

[allelujahhaptism]

I see where your coming from, thank you for the input.

The 6x pet card sale tomorrow i'll make sure to take advantage of, a yeti & orc card O.o maybe i can get that new tanking/Dd pet tomorrow ^^
Also i wanna try out a skelly...well taming cards are up in Cs tomorrow so if ur a sorcerer like me, who doesnt have too much time to farm (damn u college!) this could be the only chance to get pets!

of course this flood of pet cards will lower cost in game, so if u have 40mil...u might get a tamed pet that low! or something...thats still 20x the money i have lol..

[ultimatemx]

Yeah lol, I have a yeti and an orc (both 60 +10 yay!), I've been trying to get a BP to supplement my crappy healing lol. I have about 170mil saved so I can hopefully get one tamed cheap over the next few days lol.
I'd like to try a Skelly too some time that or a salamander lol evasion ftw!

[allelujahhaptism]

Yes i was lucky enough to get a Bp farming on my sin (only took me 3 days of non stop farming...grr) so i welcome the sale w/ open arms lol.

im just wondering whats a good tank after awhile, siren has terrible def, and so do i lol, i would like an orc, and then just pass damage toggle if anything happened 2 me, and let him just kick ass....but that would require me getting an orc.

[ultimatemx]

In terms of taking damage, you can't go past the yeti, mine is 60+ 10 like I said, and it already has close to 100 Vit and a HP total of just over 5000 without any buffs and it can still deal some pretty good damage. Not to mention its howling skill that heals you and it (And your party) over time. But if you're really strapped for cash, you can always use a turtle, they have a large amount of Pdef as well as their blessing of backplate which can increase your pdef as well. I've been finding that my orc lacks Pdef at the moment so he isn't a great tank, but being a battle summoner with the added stats you get from the change I can take a bit of the damage too. For a sorc you're probably better off going for a turtle or Yeti.

[allelujahhaptism]

just got an Orc tamed


Those stats are nice, but i wonder what a normal Sorc @ that lvs stats would b. a comparison would rock. I would just like to know what im getting before i decide to Ob.
I am inclined to OB regardless, cuz i have 2 R3s w/o Ob and everyone keeps telling me too... and i do want the "full Experience" lvl wise, but i somehow feel as if im being cheated out of a mill jp lol
So question still stands, if anyone has any other info on Ob stats or comparisons w/ a normal Non ob Bs etc

[allelujahhaptism]

Skeleton failed

46 Sorcerer now, and Jlv39. (Dps lately have sucked...hard)
I am close to jlv 40, and i am considering Ob. Will take forever but hell what have i got to lose, i would still love to see anything anyone can come up w/ though.

new question also, what is a good pet for u. I love my siren, shes evasive and hits like a train. my orc is 30, and does pretty good also, for a 30.
I was looking into skeleton, seems like a nice pet, (my card failed though)

Orc seems like an amazing Dd, @ lv 30 he does about 550 normal hits to mobs 12 lvs higher than him.

ok well thanks for the help everyone, any future finds on Ob stats will b apreciated, when i OB i will post my stats here, but that will b awhile seeing as i am busy (finals soon!)

[allelujahhaptism]

here is a pic of my stats, this is lv 49, jlv40
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/Toukai/SFrame2007-12-0900-00-15-70.jpg

here is after Jlv41 Ob
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/Toukai/SFrame2007-12-0900-33-29-68.jpg

I got +1 Vit, and +1 wisdom. i will update further soon.

Just realized that i lvd between those 2 screenshots, i will upload a different 1 of before the lv up. (i pray i have that cant remember if i had enough jp by then or not.)

[kitalrez]

Here's what I ended up with at Jlvl 50, (took me til lvl 58 to earn)
http://rappelz-forum.gpotato.com/viewtopic.php?f=193&t=610933

I've been talking with another sorc in my guild who decided not to OB. So far what I've learned is that the 1mil+ jp I spent gave me a few extra stats. What that means is that right now he's going to be stronger than I am. As we reach and end point, I'll end up on top, though. It really depends on where you're shooting for. If you want to be useful right away, then jumping right in is for you. If you want to be stronger than everyone else, OB. It'll take you longer to reach your peak performance, but you'll notice a difference in the end.

I already outdamage him with melee and magic attacks at similar levels. He's got a leg up on me in terms of taming and creature skills though, since he had 1 mil jp to spend on them that I didn't. Not OBing is giving you plenty of jp to spend on adding more tricks to your bag, but it doesn't necessarily make those tricks any stronger or more damaging. The only way to really up your DPS is to raise your stats, and OBing is probably the best way, (if the most time consuming), to do that. We tend to over focus on skills as a way of raising DPS. What we should be concentrating on instead is Job Levels. Outside of gear upgrades, this is the only way to raise your stats. You only get 110 job levels so far. You can sacrifice some of those if you want, but you'll be taking a hit later on down the road if you do so.

[stonky]

Well I wanted to OB mine, and these screenshots have proved it final. I'm OBing, agility + vit ftw

[ichat3]

1) LOL and here is why. The stats from OB mean nothing with respect to strength because dirks suck in PvP. 30 vs 50 damage aint mean nothing. In terms of int, you aint no CM so the xtra int still aint helping ya. So mabey, just mabey it is worth it if it gives a substantial boost to vit and wis.

2) OB stats will NOT help you in PvP vs someone with a +10 and higher equipment and lair stones unless you have similar gear.

3) In PvP you will be relying A LOT on what skills your pets have. PvP is dominated by stuns, holds, sleep, debuffs etc. So while you just OB yourself and have superior stats to me I just nightmared you, sealed your pet and took half your life away with my other pet. OB stats can't stop that.

The reality is that OBing your character gives better stats but in higher lvl PvP it doesnt matter. I am a non OB battle summoner and I PvP against players sometimes as much as 8-10 levels higher than me and sometimes I win, sometimes I lose and belive me, OB stats make little difference in that situation.

My honest opinion! lair stones. eprots and cubes and skill cards make way more difference in addition to proper pet jp allocation and skill selection all on top of actual decision making during pvp than a couple of lousy jp from OBing EVER will.

But thats just my opinion.

\[Insert but jp is unlimited clause here]
\[insert hypthetical but never actually happens clause of "but if two same lvl, same gear but one OB while other is not fight each other the OB character will win" here]

[kubuspuchatek]

We have in previous posts stats of 50 JVL Sorc who evolving to Battle Sum

if any 50/40 Sorc take now his stats after evolving without OB whe can compare each other

[akunek0]

I actually wanted to see what the stats gave without equips for all the job lvls starting at job 41, so here it goes.
sorc
lvl str vit agi int wis dex lck jp
40} 36 37 34 41 39 32 18
41} 36 38 34 41 40 32 18 69300
42} 36 38 34 42 40 33 18 73100
43} 37 39 35 42 40 33 18 76900
44} 37 39 35 43 41 33 19 80900
45} 38 39 36 43 41 34 19 85000
46} 38 40 36 44 42 34 19 126600
47} 38 40 36 44 42 34 19 132700
48} 39 41 37 45 43 35 19 139000
49} 39 41 37 45 43 35 19 145500
50} 40 42 38 46 44 36 20 152100
all 4 5 4 5 5 4 2 1081100
so 29 stats, other classes are just variations of the 4s and 5s

bs
01} 47 52 47 61 56 44 22